Dungeons & Dragons - Geschichte und historische Versionen des Spiels

  • Wieder einmal traurige Neuigkeiten: Der Autor Carl Sargent ist gestorben. Er hat um 1990 einige Werke zu D&D beigesteuert, so einige Bände zu Greyhawk, zur Known World/Mystara, und auch zu anderen Rollenspielen und ähnlichem, so zu Warhammer, Earthdawn, Shadowrun und auch einige Fighting Fantasy-Spielbücher.

  • Hello,


    First of all, sorry to speak in english but my german is really really bad... :/


    Maybe you can help me... For years, I am compiling all datas I can collect to establish a full list of the licensed D&D jigsaw puzzles.

    Here it is in its actual state if you want to have a look :

    https://kuronons.blogspot.com/…zles-definitive-list.html


    Now, I am looking for info concerning D&D jigsaw puzzles published by FSV. I found one only picture of their existing evidence of the web.

    Here it is for an insight :

    https://sites.google.com/site/…df/TSR%20FSV%20German.JPG

    I have no idea if only these 2 exist or if there are more, no idea of the publishing year also. And obviously no ref.


    Have you guys already seen these ?


    Any piece of info would be greatly appreciated !


    Thanks in advance !


    Kuro

  • Now, I am looking for info concerning D&D jigsaw puzzles published by FSV. I found one only picture of their existing evidence of the web.

    Here it is for an insight :

    https://sites.google.com/site/…df/TSR%20FSV%20German.JPG

    I have no idea if only these 2 exist or if there are more, no idea of the publishing year also. And obviously no ref.

    Hello Kuronons,


    I have never seen these jigsaws, all I know is that picture you got. The logo used is from 1985 or 86 onward (can´t find the information at the moment), up until 1988, when the company was dissolved. I wrote quite a bit about the history of D&D in Germany here:

    https://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16170&c=1 Somewhere in there the information about the logo used should be included.


    The Schmidt Spiele jigsaws might be earlier than 1986. From what I remember, the light blue box design was used for some RPG products in 1984/85, but could have been used later, of course. This is obviously a product for the french market.

  • The logo used is from 1985 or 86 onward (can´t find the information at the moment), up until 1988, when the company was dissolved. I wrote quite a bit about the history of D&D in Germany here:

    https://www.acaeum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16170&c=1 Somewhere in there the information about the logo used should be included.

    Hello stebehil,


    Well thanks for the prompt reply ! Knowing the FSV's ones were issued between 1985-88 is some info ! :)

    Kinda hard to find much info on this company during this period. (well, I surely haven't dig enough in german search tho..)


    I think I may have posted something in Acaeum (maybe in this one topic even) but for some reason, since a few weeks I have no longer access to the forum there... surely due to my VPN... technology heh... -_-;

    The Schmidt Spiele jigsaws might be earlier than 1986. From what I remember, the light blue box design was used for some RPG products in 1984/85, but could have been used later, of course. This is obviously a product for the french market.

    Well, I am pretty sure one is from 1986 at least (red box). But indeed maybe the blue box one was issued earlier tho... Not easy to find info on these too...


    Anyway, I ll keep digging and hopefully someone will know more on this very particular subject ! :)


    Thanks again !


    Kuro

  • Kuronons : I think it was from 1985 to 1988 for sure that the "dragon logo" (the one I use here, a scan from the Master Set) was used. Prior to that, they had no logo, just printing the address on the books and boxes. So, the jigsaws would be from that era. It seems that information on these jigsaws is hard to find.

  • I think it was from 1985 to 1988 for sure that the "dragon logo" (the one I use here, a scan from the Master Set) was used. Prior to that, they had no logo, just printing the address on the books and boxes.

    Thanks for this info !

    Now after digging (well sorting stuff on my PC... XD), it appears I have the FSV references for the 2 jigsaw puzzles : 8548/3 & 8561/6.

    Could these be useful to determine the date of issuing ?

  • I think it was from 1985 to 1988 for sure that the "dragon logo" (the one I use here, a scan from the Master Set) was used. Prior to that, they had no logo, just printing the address on the books and boxes.

    Thanks for this info !

    Now after digging (well sorting stuff on my PC... XD), it appears I have the FSV references for the 2 jigsaw puzzles : 8548/3 & 8561/6.

    Could these be useful to determine the date of issuing ?

    Not exactly. The reference numbers fit the general nomenclature of FSV. Most items start with a 85, a few with a 86, and one or two each with a 81 or 82. This is not the publication year. Yet, the 85xx and the 86xx numbers seem to follow some sort of chronology, as the first two rulesets have low 85xx numbers, and the first few Basic modules and the accessories as well. But it gets muddied further down the road. Still, seeing that the Companion Set has 8542 and was out in 1985, I would guesstimate the jigsaws at 1985 or 86. I would have to go through the attempts at a publication chronology I made a while back to see if I can gain more ideas about how the reference numbers were issued, but I guess it will be not that exact.